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A Classical SuperHumanist cryonicsx blog by "PhilOssifur" [Summer 2007]
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Sunday, August 5, 2007

Watch for CI's report-- what happened here?

On June 3, 9:48 pm-- Ben Best calls SA... and indiates taht C81's SON-- the son?-- wanted SA to administer medications, cooling and CPR after legal death... after having suffereed a stroke and apparently in a coma.

At this point, you would think Best would say something like this to the son-- "Well I'm sorry but C81 is a CI member and everything is set up in advance for that, including the financing. So-- too bad for you. Bye now." Then Best I would think would have alerted CI people to carry out the functions.

So did Ben call SA before or after he notified his CI people? The "SA team coordinator" had to tell Ben to talk to the "SA Administrator"-- would that be Kent? Or CPlatt? When you look on the SA personnel page, there is no apparent "administrator"-- per se.

Shouldn't Ben have known this was dicey-- and that he'd have to "go to the top" as it were-- maybe call Kent himself? Shouldn't he have called kent immediately? Or whoever the "admin" is? Two hours later, the "SA Admin'r" "confirmed that SA would "participate" "subject to logistical feasibility" Huh?

In effect, what he could have said was "we'll try but can't guarantee anything".

And why 2 hours for the "decision"? Were they standing around at midnite in their robes, with martinis and cigars-- debating the various scenarios? Pros and cons of doing this?

The SA report then says... get this...

"According to the SA Administrator, the next of kin planned to disconnect the ventilator at 11 am.".

So the NEXT OF KIN-- the son?-- gets to decide this? See? this is what cryonicists need to question. Who gets to say what happens here? Shouldnt there be mention of a "living will" to hand over the rights of maneuvering to CI or ALocr to keep these "next of kin" out?

Why are cryonics companies allowing themselves and their members to be exposed in this way?

More later-- but this angle is, to me, central. Now I'm going to watch for CI's "report" on this-- this "handover".



UPDATE
I just found Ben Best's report on the CI site which was there before [+]

The critical moment is here...

Best writes

"Only a few weeks earlier the patient had attended a Suspended Animation, Inc. conference in Florida with his son. However, for reasons that are clear only to the patient, the patient did not sign up with Suspended Animation for their services. It occurred to me that Suspended Animation might offer cryonics rescue procedures for reduced cost, especially in light of the fact that there would be no standby. I saw this as a benefit for both the patient and for Suspended Animation. I contacted the patient's son and Suspended Animation to confirm that this could be done. Both parties agreed that this would be worthwhile and that the costs were acceptable"


However, for reasons that are clear only to the patient, the patient did not sign up with Suspended Animation for their services.

and yet we see


Only a few weeks earlier the patient had attended a Suspended Animation, Inc. conference in Florida with his son


for reasons that are clear only to the patient



with his son



clear only to the patient



his son



So we're to believe that the son does NOT know why his father did NOT sign up with SA? That seems UNLIKELY doesn't it?-- consdiering they both attended? The son is not signed up. Never a cryo. Still not a cryo. Obviously has a reason OTHER than cryonics to be involved.

Son can't be respecting "wishes" of his father since his father did not go with SA-- but are the reasons clear ONLY to the patient-- or does the son know?

I think the son knows. And there's the black box at the centre of this case. Like the obelisk on the moon in 2001:
Space Odyssey. Pipe in the music. Also sprach zarathrustra. Here's the Dawn of Man scene with the monkeys watching the obelisk rise up--

think of the obelisk as the black box of truth that I've just pointed to-- the idea that the son must know what the father's attitude about SA way-- and think of the monkey hitting the ground as me-- pointing to it..

Then as Also Sprach Zarathustra plays, and the monkey banks the ground with a bone-- playing with little "facts on the ground", the bone rises in the air-- flipping into the spaceship scene-- a metaphor for my uncovering the truthful reality of what's going on in cryonics.

[2007: A Cryonics Odyssey]

Even FD titles his thread in his CF forum "Services not contracted for" [+] yet despite seeing the fallacy of this-- defends it. I would have predicted that. Fd then presents a line of fallacy that involves hope that SA does well -- embedding in well-wishing for all cryonics firms-- as if attacking SA on this point is equivalent to attacking all cryonics firms. He fallaciously presents me as a "true believer" in Alcor and thus naturally prone to attack SA-- taking the reader off the point that he himself established that the services were not contracted for-- that the was hard selling by Best-- that something else is going on here--

The son knows why C81 didn't want to go with SA. That's the next step in this unseemly handover behind C81's back.

1 comment:

Tiffany said...

I think someone be talking about you:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1186358416/Conservation+of+mass

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