For me, key feature of SA/CI case is "handover"

I'm working the angle involving the CI handover of C81 to SA. This handover was, in my view, "out of bounds". The details on the legalities of this move need to be examined very carefully. All CI members need to examine this-- and Alcor members too. Currently SVJ is resisting the takeover of patients by SA but what is the basis for the resistance of this-- and will it hold over time if SJV is replaced?

To know that something is wrong and not say anything is to participate in that wrong-ness. To the extent that nobody in the cryonics community is pointing to the wrongness of the handover is the extent to which I'm holding the entire cryonics community as participants in a bad action. I guess I stand alone. Oh wait-- I have one friend.... "the truth".

The truth is that C81 was NOT signed up with SA. The truth is that C81 fully expected to be preserved by the CI process of emergency cryonics rescue. That's what he wanted because that's what he paid for and signed up for. C81's wishes seem to be to be violated. That's a big deal.

It's also tragic. What I see here is that CPlatt, even Aschwin and Best-- appear now to me to be blind. Cognitively blind. The decision to hand C81 over and for SA to accept C81-- right there-- that little piece of cognitive action-- is the tiny increment around which this entire cryonics industry will now spin. It brings the focus of the case into a fine point where we look at precisely who had the power to do that-- and thus to override the wishes of C81-- who CLEARLY prepared in advance-- and knew precisely what he was aiming for.

This subversion of C81's clear intent should ring the alarm for everyone signed up for cryonics.... Cryonics isn't what we think it is. It's something else. So what is it?

Again-- silence equals collusion.

Tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk. Shame shame shame.

You know-- if we don't learn how t monitor and regulate ourselves, eventually someone is going to do it for us. So your choice is clear-- You can either begin to break your code of silence now and participate publicly in questioning this handover from the point of view of respecting the wishes of members OR-- wait until little flags are raised elsewhere.

My own position is that we in cryonics ought to be more openly self reflective on issues like this-- and question that handover-- and the implications for handovers. If you look at the history of SA, you'll find out that SA personnel were involved in the TW situation-- and that, I think, was also a mistake. Alcor is supposed to be a self-contained outfit-- so we have a problem here, Houston.

This is the core essence of what I'm thinking on this this morning-- there are more issues but this is the most critical. That handover. Under what CI rules did that occur? From my angle-- I can't see how that could possibly be legal. Maybe from the point of view of the legal possession of the dead body of C81, it may very well have been legal-- but again-- is there a wider degree of latitude that cryonics companies have in handlding "dead bodies" than cryonicists like me normally have thought about? After all, when you're dead, you don't have rights-- unless-- it's in a will, legally. Did C81 have a will? What is the status of wills today? This line of thought is where I'll be going-- if I have time.