The SA ATP
All other features of a potential CI cryorescue of C81 would have been "pretty good"-- given CI's new equipment and protocol-- which I haven't been up to speed on-- OTHER THAN that "air transportable perfusion" machine. THIS MACHINE gives the cryorescue team a SIGNIFICANT EDGE.
The way I see it, Harris designed an ATP at CCR with Kent's funds (located near 21CM)-- and then Kent had CPlatt try to implement it at SA Inc. Alcor has had an ATP for some time-- Kent is on the board of Alcor-- it's hard to say where Alcor came up with their ATP-- maybe Harris at CCR again. In any case, SA is trying to develop their own ATP for which there is nobody trained at SA who can actually use it...
But use it they did anyway-- on C81-- given the opportunity by Ben Best-- who appears to have decided to hand over C81 to SA unilaterally without CI board consultation.
The ATP is at the center of this entire state of confusion in my view. Kent sees SA as a private for-profit cryorescue agency but the key to that is that ATP. You can't do credible cutting edge preservation these days without it... That's why SA wants their own-- but then the question is-- why are they developing their own-- why not use Alcor's design?
Are there patent rights invovled somewhere?
Maxim is an expert perfusionist and current debate rages in Cold Filter between Maxim and Harris on the technical features and angles of the ATP-- and perfusion in general-- rate of cooling and oxygen being key points of debate. Harris gets into some details that go beyond published literature, but Maxim is thoroughly familiar with the literature. Harris considers himself as having mastered it and gone beyond it.
Maybe there's A LOT AT STAKE in terms of the ATP... this is THE MACHINE of the future of cryonics. It ELIMIATES the need to rush the patient to the cryonics lab. It makes STANDBY MORE than standby-- because the essential cooling and perfusion of "organ presrvation solution" and mabye even cold vitrification solution can THEN BE DONE ON SITE. Essentiall the ATP is the centerpiece of a PORTABLE CRYONICS LAB! IT elimiates the need for people to live NEAR a cryonics facility. It becomes more imporant to have a PERFUSIONIST with an ATP (and attendent chemicals) near YOU.
This is consistent with how the directin of cryonics is possibly being pushed by wealthy cryonicists who would not want to relocate to near a lab and create a cryonics "community" (fat chance)-- but who would have enough money to retain a perfusionist and their own ATP in a spare room in their house. Transport to the cryonics facility for final cooldown and long term storage would be relatively minor. This entire phase of cryonics-- "emergency cryonics rescue" or ECR-- is an industry in its own right now-- and THAT is the PUPROSE of SA Inc-- to try to take the high ground in THAT critical phase.
It also explains the disappearance of a person who trained at Alcor then went to Laughlin where Don likely has his own team WITH HIS OWN ATP-- and the same for Miller-- and I wouldn't be surprised if Pizer didn't have a trained perfusionist and an ATP unit in Mayer.... although why would there be silence on that? Maybe becuase nobody wants to be seen as having an unfair advantage over other cryonicists.
The strange thing about this theory is that it doesn't expalin why CI does NOT have a perfusionist and ATP-- Maybe their members are ALL TOO POOR-- ?
C81's rescue appears to me to have revovled around the use of the ATP-- THEY TOOK IT DESPITE no trained personnel-- and they could not even retain Melody Maxim-- who would have been THE KEY PERSON AT SA to move SA forward in their mission to occupy the HIGH GROUND in ECR!!! One would have though Cplatt in this case would have done everything possible to retain Maxim-- that he would have allowed SA's existence revolve around her-- as the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY-- the ambulances and everything else were of seconddary importance.
Maybe SA MISSED that opportunity-- maybe CPlatt didn't see it.... That the key to SA's services would have been someone like Maxim-- but then actual machine SA build, she says, was "too big"--
So CPlatt should have listented to Maxim on how to create an ATP-- Maxim should have been working through Harris every day on this-- and yet we see differences between Harris and Maxim that make cooperation appear unlikely-- Harris doesn't recognize that MAXIM was the key to the success of SA!!! He blew it! That's the way I see it.
[+] Raw notes on ATP
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"The way I see it, Harris designed an ATP at CCR with Kent's funds (located near 21CM)-- and then Kent had CPlatt try to implement it at SA Inc."
Now you are confusing liquid ventilation with the ATP. SA is collaborating with CCR on a *liquid ventilation* system. Perhaps it would be more useful to speculate what the status is on Alcor's liquid ventilation system and CCR's part in this.
"That's why SA wants their own-- but then the question is-- why are they developing their own-- why not use Alcor's design?"
Why indeed? You are on to something here, Phil.....
The way I see it, Harris designed an ATP at CCR with Kent's funds (located near 21CM)-- and then Kent had CPlatt try to implement it at SA Inc."
Now you are confusing liquid ventilation with the ATP. SA is collaborating with CCR on a *liquid ventilation* system. Perhaps it would be more useful to speculate what the status is on Alcor's liquid ventilation system and CCR's part in this.
ok. I was under the impression that the ATP-- air tranportable perfusion kit-- is a miniaturized perfusion kit-- something uniquely designed by Harris. Isn't THAT was was miniatured? I'll check through my previous notes. Are we trying to miniaturize the Liquid Ventilation system too to make an air transportable Liquid ventilation kit? ATLV?
"ok. I was under the impression that the ATP-- air tranportable perfusion kit-- is a miniaturized perfusion kit-- something uniquely designed by Harris.
It is a miniaturized perfusion kit but it was not designed by Harris. Its use goes all the way back to Darwin and Leaf. Nothing new under the sun expect for the more recent lack of people capable of running it.
"Are we trying to miniaturize the Liquid Ventilation system too to make an air transportable Liquid ventilation kit? ATLV?"
Correct. That's why Melody made the comment that the current SA version is too big.
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