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Thursday, August 21, 2008

Cryonics is just cryonics... or is it "just" that?

Is cryonics "just" cryonics-- or is cryonics more that "just" cryonics? Discuss that at Cold Filter. [+]

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Don't tell me what to do.

"Discuss that at Cold Filter" BS! Have you not noticed that posters on Cold Filter discuss whatever they want to? Unless they go entirely off the deep end and get banned like you, of course.

So how about you mind your own business.

Rick Potvin said...

To Cold Filter fan--

I'm not "telling" you what to do-- your retort is childlike. I'm saying that CF is an area that is useful for the discussion I suggested. To other readers-- not cffan-- please repost the following to CF-- thanks....


Dave pizer wrote

quote
A way to send a donation without your spouse knowing about it would be to stop
in at a bank or convenience store and use cash to buy a money order or cashier's
check. Make it out to the Venturists and mail it in.

David Pizer
unquote

My comment-- it would be better to "negotiate" a contrbution that your wife finds acceptable under certain conditions, although the entire situation here is fraught with potential damage to cryonics a whole-- Bill ORights is a pseudonymn and Pizer is attempting to encourage donations to his 501c3 based on an anonymous person. The ethics of all of this is a question mark in my mind. Yesterday, Dave was encouraging people to make long term IOU agreeements. I would say that this "donate behind your wife's back" advice is a tripwire where I now recommend that someone look into this whole thing. Mark Voelker has a reputation that he'd like to maintain in the science community, and is associated with Venturists. I would urge someone to inform him of the potentail problems here.

This entire event is alarming to me. I don't like it.

Rick Potvin said...

[+] Christian transhumanism-- I'll look into this further-- seems like an oxymoron but I'm willing to drop my preconceptions and test drive it so far as it seems to go.

Sounds similaar to my Classical FutureHumanism... which invovles Larouche oriented views...

Anonymous said...

If you had been paying attention, you would have learned that William O'Rights is not a pseudonym. It is his real, legal name, which he went to court to get his birth name changed to. This is just one small example of the pervasive inaccuracies you post in your blogs and forums. Not to mention the inconsistencies - you think Pizer is wrong to support what you think is an "anonymous" person - what about you? Is "Philossifur" your real name? How about you tell us your real name so we can take your writings more seriously? I've heard it is something with the initials "RBP" is that so?

Rick Potvin said...

Fine-- but Bill O'Rights is NOT the guys' original name. It's a made up name. So my point is STILL valid.

Who is this guy? I've NEVER seen him publish anyting in cryonics going back to the 1970s-- and he has never published online until very recently.

There's no end to the deceptions in cryonics going on and I would want to know the guy's ORIGINAL name-- becuase he LIKELY changed it to cover his i.d. SPECIFICALLY for this fundraising thing.

Alexander Hamilton said we didn't need the Bill of Righs anyway-- given the Constitution-- and that a bill of rights is when you have a king and subjects. So the joke name is "on him".

My online pseudonymn has nothign to do with this-- and I'm not fundraising. So it's irrelevent.

The situation is that-- since his LEGAL name is indeed what you say-- that that makes Pizer's fundraising legal-- so that's interesting.

That clears Pizer.

Obviously people are not discussing the fact that this guy changed his hame to what they're now calling "William O'Rights"... another clever deception when in fact they should.

What you call my "pervasive inaccuaricies" is not valid in the face of "pervasive deception" in cryonics. Where there's intention to decieve, and where we try to decode the deceptions, it's going to be tough.

Bill O'Right.... yeah-- right. ok.

So if this guy has been a fan of cryonics and NEVER got signed up.. what's with that?

Here we see a blog where william o'rights is Billie Bonsall. [+]

Here we see a cryonics uk article by Willliam o'rights [+]


Here we see O'rights is indeed Bonsall [+]

So-- he seems to know quite a bit about cryonics-- yet never signed up. I haven't read his posts on CF-- and I never herrd the name bosnall before in cryonics-- not that I would know everyone but-- there's where we're at.

Rick Potvin said...

Cryonics should watch this Russian situation too

Here's Larouche's analysis. [+]

The British Foreign Office coordinated the unprovoked attack using US backing on S. Ossetia Russian citizens using inaccurate WWII era rocket batteries firing 6 rockets at a time-- at midnight.

It's a provocation to start WWIII by the Birtish-- and cryonics has an interst in stopping it-- therefore cryonics has a vested interest in reading Larouche.

As far as Pizer's fundraising for that guy Bill Orights aka Billie Bonsall, what I'd like to see is Pizer publish a complete background on Bonsall including the arrest, the nature of the actual Bill of Rights, the whole picture. For that, Pizer will need a blog. and an alphabetical index.

The point here is FULL DISCLOSURE... The Venturist website [+] news section hasn't had an update for 7 years... and the Marcie Johnson fundraiser hasn't been updated.

The point is-- if Dave is going to raise moeny for anything, a better job on disclosure is going to have to be done... there's all sorts of failings here...

...not to mention the funds for Marcie were being raised in a panic mode because they said she was dying-- well is she deanimated yet? No update on that-- yet they collected money just before tax time...

...now Dave is panic pushing again on the demise of ORights... aka Bonsall-- so how does anyone verify that? What hospital is he in? etc....

Well I could go on, but you get my point hopefully. Full disclosure where money moves. Ok? And read the Laoruche post.

And post a link to this blog entry to cf and cn for me please.

Anonymous said...

ROTFL! You're as funny as ever, R1ck. Keep up the good work. Keep throwing Lar0uch a rope - pull him from the "deep" in which he is mired, so we can watch him try to shake off all the sh1t. But the w0rld of cry0nics still keeps marching 0n.

Rick Potvin said...

Au contraire mon ami.

It is the world that is mired. Cryonics and the world has to shake off the shit.

As always, as a dupe or agent of the British positiviests and reductionists, your tactic of reversing things 180 degrees is obvious.

Hey, why don't you commit yourself to a position regarding who attacked whom first-- Russia Georgia or Georgia Russia.

Oh wait, that's right, your tactics don't allow for content. Nevermind.

Anonymous said...

Could it be that you are the one that is 180 degrees off from most of the rest of the world? From your relative viewpoint, everyone else would look 180 degrees off, to you.

I didn't know I was british, but I do like Monty Python, which is why I find most of your stuff hilarious. Reads a lot like Monty Python episodes. You should join up with the Brits, R1ck. They're funny funny people.

Georgia? Russia? Who cares? Not an issue. What true cry0s such as yourself the one and only true cry0 should understand is that Canada and Denmark will go to war soon over Labrador and that it will mean the end of the world as we know it. The Z10nt1stas, the Illumintati, the Scionilogists, the Rosycrucians - all are conspiring together to make this the best urban legend ever. Where are Rinse and Ladouche when we need them? They should be scaring us about this and getting our hysteria level up. Cancel your subscription to E1R and shut down your browser until these guys stop distracting us with non-issues and get us the right stuff.

Sleep well and dream about all la r0aches crawling under your bed.

Rick Potvin said...

Being off 180 degrees isn't a subjective, which is where you're making your mistake. There is truth to be had. And you're on the wrong side of it-- demonstrably and provably.

The British empire isn't british. You're making a mistake about that too. I like Monty Python but that's not the Birtish Empire.

Georgia and Russia have vast implications and you can see that right now. You're pretending it doesn't matter.

The Zionists-- or British Isrealists-- are part of the the operation. Sci'ists are not. Zionists are very real-- but the real focus of the situation is the money system-- You're not serious about decoding the background of the world political scene-- and you actually lose out as a result-- on the joy of comprehending at least the dangers to civiliziation. I, on the other hand, have a pretty good history and economics background so I understand what's happening. You're missing out on that understanding.

Your dismissiveness indicates either a lack of humanity, or worse. Maybe immaturity or sociopahty of some sort. You're not alone on that trait in cryonics.

Mostly though, you just miss out on the depth and richness of situations with your attitude. I highly recommend you read EIR as a starting point to repair your mind. [+]

Rick Potvin said...

Being off 180 degrees isn't a subjective, which is where you're making your mistake. There is truth to be had. And you're on the wrong side of it-- demonstrably and provably.

The British empire isn't british. You're making a mistake about that too. I like Monty Python but that's not the Birtish Empire.

Georgia and Russia have vast implications and you can see that right now. You're pretending it doesn't matter.

The Zionists-- or British Isrealists-- are part of the the operation. Sci'ists are not. Zionists are very real-- but the real focus of the situation is the money system-- You're not serious about decoding the background of the world political scene-- and you actually lose out as a result-- on the joy of comprehending at least the dangers to civiliziation. I, on the other hand, have a pretty good history and economics background so I understand what's happening. You're missing out on that understanding.

Your dismissiveness indicates either a lack of humanity, or worse. Maybe immaturity or sociopahty of some sort. You're not alone on that trait in cryonics.

Mostly though, you just miss out on the depth and richness of situations with your attitude. I highly recommend you read EIR as a starting point to repair your mind. [+]

Anonymous said...

I think you've hit on something important in your understanding of yourself there, R1ck. Most people "miss out on the depth and richness of situations" by not digging into and worrying about problems we ourselves cannot solve. You, instead, wallow in them, and try to pull happy and productive people into your slime pit with you. Those outside looking into your world see something so bad that thus far no one has joined up with you, not even a wife. Enjoy your life; I'm outta here.

Anonymous said...

I think you've hit on something important in your understanding of yourself there, R1ck. Most people "miss out on the depth and richness of situations" by not digging into and worrying about problems we ourselves cannot solve. You, instead, wallow in them, and try to pull happy and productive people into your slime pit with you. Those outside looking into your world see something so bad that thus far no one has joined up with you, not even a wife. Enjoy your life; I'm outta here.

Rick Potvin said...

Please don't patronize me by using a real world name. It's both too revealing to strangers and outsiders in this public blog AND it serves to demonstrate your sense of superiority over me--- a false sense of superiority.

Just because we can't immediately DO anything ABOUT a situation does not mean we don't attempt to understand it. ASIDE from whether we can do anything or not-- which is debatable-- there is the pure element of understanding. To measure your desire to understand against the ability to DO something about it is indicative of a particular and peculiar mindset that is consistent with being a subject under an oligarch. Your mindset is showing through on that.

It's quite common.

Wallow-- slime pit-- no wife-- outta here-- WOW... you're actually pretty colourful in your writing....

No wife. That's funny. I've had plenty of wives. What are you talking about?

The measure of truth is not in now many join up with me. Is that what truth is for you? If it is, you must be a girl. You're a girl aren't you? I knew it.

I'm more like the Daniel Boone of cryonics.... the guy who scouts ahead... by himself... to see what's out there.. reporting back to the rest of us. [+]

Daniel Boone was a man.... a biiiiig man. [+] A little backgroun on the show. Boone was a frontiersman. I'm a cryonics frontiersman.

Anonymous said...

I was going to quit, but you didn't. But you reveal more of your mental deficiencies. You just don't get it. If the sources you worship had true and correct information, verifiable, you might have a case for being concerned about their pronouncements of upcoming doom. The simple fact is that they do not. They have no proof to back up the vast majority of their claims, and history has proven them wrong before, and will again.

As an example, I have copied and saved the article Larouch recently did "We Are Closer to World War III than to November Elections". If we do not have a world war before the November elections, he will be shown to be a false prophet, and unreliable for anything else he might have to say. I am now definitely outta here and will return after election day to hit you over the head with the virtual 2 x 4, unless you have stopped touting Larouch in the interim.

PS what is this crap about sex? You think if I might be female therefore I am wrong? Wrong again, R1ck. Oh and I did not use your realworld name. R1ck is not your realworld name, unless you spell it with a number? You don't do that do you, R1ck? Besides you misspell all kinds of stuff and think therefore they are right, don't you R1ck? Not to mention other things you think are right but are not, like your being a "cry0n1cs fr0nt1ersman" or anything else of any importance in cry0n1cs. All that proves is that you have a highly over-inflated opinion of yourself.

Rick Potvin said...

My sources are fine.

I think that certain types of women don't evaluate information very well-- they based it on what others believe rather than the process of reasoning.

I didn't mention sex-- you did. I merely refereed to gender. Must have been a freudian slip on your part.

Using the "1" and claiming that that's absolves you of using name is obviously inane but there is further cognitive malady I can identify in your method-- sophistry. Sophistry is the art of argument. It destroyed Athens. And it's destroying America and civilization.

As far as Daniel Boone, that's just some humor, metaphor stuff... and your attempt to associate it with inflated ego is silly. Lots of guys watched Daniel Boone and identified with him. Look at what they give kids today on TV-- the muppets Or spongebob. Actually spongebob is pretty funny.

So you're convinced that my sources on Georgia and Russia aren't very good. Hmmm... Take a look at my logbook on the situation here [+]

The real threat to cryonics is as it is for everyone-- a nuclear war-- and the systemic collpase of the money system-- with trillions in unpayable debts. Cryonics is about travel to the future as much as preservatives and protocol-- and we need to be talking about how to create a viable future as much as any other "micro cryonics" topic.

I'm already "leaving cryonics behind" in a sense, looking at the wider situation. No cryonicist has come forward-- and the transhumanists are all pretty derailed from realpolitik. It's truly AS IF cryonics became a cult after all.. although the idea is still valid-- the way it's being conducted is out to lunch. And there ARE cryonics goons out there... and a lot of the cryonicists WANT to see Isreal strike Iran-- because they themselves are Zionists. I think that might be a deeper darker secret in cryonics than anyone wants to talk about.

Anyway, if you ever want to join me in the mission to uplift humanity, let me know. By the way-- science fiction as a genre was all been oriented to the radical positivist view-- and it might explain what happened to you. But I can tell you're still starving for a more truthful reality. Maybe someday we can get together.

Rick Potvin said...

I'd like you to write a blog. Will you.

Rick Potvin said...

And watch this video on 9/11 [+]

Anonymous said...

i want you. now.

-unperson

Rick Potvin said...

Let's talk about food. Mustard is good for you, have you heard that? I used mustard on my fried egg sandwich for breakfast this morning. What did you eat for breakbreat?

Rick Potvin said...

Unp... what did you eat for breakfast. Have you heard about mustard?

Rick Potvin said...

Pat Buchanan points to Schumann as a dual loyalist-- Isreal again? [+] (Watch the video above to see how this fits it.

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